A discussion between Jabu Gwala: Recently elected general secretary of SACTWU, Jabu started his working life in the garden of a white homeowner (who called Jabu Jakob), before getting a job at Frame Textiles where he became a shopsteward. After being fired in a strike, he became a union official and rose up the ranks from there. And Mike Murphy: Active as a student in a Wage Commission from 1971, Mike became a founder organiser of the Durban-based TUACC unions which merged into FOSATU, then COSATU. Banned in 1976, Mike returned from 12 years exile and worked for 4 years alongside Jabu Gwala in ACTWUSA/SACTWU.